Tuesday, February 28, 2012

trip technology

 

In case anyone is planning their own grand adventure, we thought that we would share the electronics that we took with us on ours.  For anyone else… what follows may not be too interesting.  

When you are very concerned about the total weight of your bag- and we were trying to keep ours to 20lbs each- all of the electronics you have become a big consideration.  Counting all of the power adapters and cords, we must have had around 5 lbs of electronics, but all of it was stuff we really needed, since so much of the trip (all of it) had to be planned on the go.  And in retrospect, I probably could have made it through with even less clothes, but it sure would have been nice to have a bigger camera…

Laptop – Acer W500

We knew we needed at least one full version of Windows with us, and this worked out pretty well.  We had one mishap in Umbria which cracked the keyboard and cost us the control key, but now that we are home, we can put the keyboard away and just use it as just a tablet, because it is no longer our primary computer.  Being able to ditch the keyboard was also useful for daytrips; At 3 lbs, it wasn’t the lightest thing we could have found, but if you leave the keyboard, it was only 1.7, and you have everything you care about with you.  In many places we stayed, we felt the need to take all crucial items, like computer and passports, with us when we went out.

The touchscreen is pretty great if all you want to do is read, but the keyboard is essential.

2nd internet device – Jack’s old iPhone 3GS

I got the phone in July of 2009 and used it for over 2 years, and I was very happy to make it through the trip with it still going strong.  I cracked the screen (for the third time) while packing up in Boston, but by that time I was so used to replacing it I was able to fix it the night before we left on the trip.  It was very necessary in keeping the peace between Cari and me.  Imagine that you have been walking around all day, or maybe you’ve been on a farm with no connection for awhile, and you have just gotten to your hostel.  You want to check your email, check on the Mariners, and see if anyone has commented on the blog.  Are you really going to … share… the internet?  Not in this marriage. 

I took the SIM card out of the phone before leaving, which turned it into an iPod touch- but we found lots of places with unexpectedly unlocked WiFi networks.  The most surprising: The small train station in Aqui Terme, Italy. 

A lot of the websites which were instrumental in trip planning also had free apps available in the app store, which allowed me (and it usually was me) to contribute something productive to planning while Cari used the real computer.

Galileo:  This free application let us pre-load a map into the iPhone before we went to a city, just by panning around while we had an internet connection.  This was probably the single most important tool which we had on the trip: we never had a paper map, and we didn’t really need one.  It as also well worth the $1.99 add-on that let us drop pins on the map. 

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Booking.com:  This was our favorite way to get lodging, and we used it everywhere we went.  Plenty of cheap options, and, unlike other sites, they list the entire price for the whole stay, which somehow is way less annoying than seeing the price per person per night.  Airbnb.com and 9flats.com are also worth checking for nicer lodging, especially for small groups.

Kayak.com: Seems to find the cheapest international tickets, and the iPhone app saves all of your previous searches, which is great when you have no set schedule or even itinerary, but just want to find a cheap permutation of flights to get back home, eventually.

E-readers – 2x Kobos

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Cari was able to pick up two of these very basic e-readers at the Borders going-out-of-sale in Boston prior to our trip for around $40 each.  We had done some quick research and, at the time, they were about as omnivorous as you could find when it came to the types of files they supported (along with Sony e-readers).  The two leading brands, Nook and Kindle, both came with more restrictions and client software.  With the Kobos, we were able to throw e-books on using Windows Explorer, and we each had way more than we could read during the trip.

Camera – Samsung HZ35W (or WB650)

I spent a lot of time researching cameras before we left, with something very specific in mind:  I wanted a GPS camera with which we could bring up and look at a stored map.  This was part of the plan for going map-less and GPS-less.  I read a lot of camera reviews, and this was the only camera which seemed to fit the bill.  There are a lot of GPS cameras, but this, as far as I could tell, was the only one which let you load a map into it before you set out.

Of course, you actually have to load the map in for it to be useful to you.  We never used it in France.  After Italy, I didn’t bother to update the files, so we were never able to use it again.  But one glorious night, in Umbria, we were lost and I used the camera to figure out where we were.  It makes it all worthwhile.

Of course, even if I wasn’t good about loading the maps, our pictures still all have their location data attached, which is pretty cool.

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(those pins in the Gulf of Guinea are… wrong)

The camera lens cover started having issues in the Sahara (maybe it got some sand in it).  So we had to deal with flicking it open manually the last two months of the trip.  As soon as we got home, we sent it back in, figuring it was an easy fix (it was still under warranty).  But now they tell us that a refund check is coming!  Let the camera researching begin anew!

Plug Adapter – Kensington K33346US

Kensington K33346US International Travel Plug Adapter with USB Charger

For $25, this served to turn any wall-plug into any other wall plug, or a USB socket.  The USB socket part broke about halfway through the trip, but the rest worked as it was supposed to, so we were happy with it. 

 

Cari made me write this post.

Monday, February 20, 2012

back in the neighborhood


Coming back home to the same zip code where we grew up is like shocking the brain back to its 17-year-old state.  Driving around in our car (hooray and thank you!) brings back a vivid parade of memories of friends, crushes, arguments, firsts and adventures.  Navigating the area is very murky because the streets and intersections associated with memories are illuminated, but the bits in between are still in the dark.
Of course we’ve been back for many visits in the last decade, but knowing that we’re back for good makes it feel very different this time.  For one thing, it’s not permanently Christmastime here.

Thursday, February 16, 2012

57 pictures per day

 

The results are in!  We took 10,144 pictures on our camera and 240 on the iPhone making a total of 10,384 pictures on the trip.  That means that Steve (a.k.a. Dad) wins the photo contest with his guess of 10,802.  Thanks for all your guesses, everyone.

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It works out to an average of 57 pictures a day for the 181 days of the trip.  When you think of it that way, it doesn’t sound like so much.  Plus we’ve already culled many of the pictures that weren’t keepers. 

This is a breakdown of the number of pictures we took (on the camera, not the phone) during each week of the trip.  You can see that the camera was really earning its keep during the week in Paris (769 pictures), the weeks in Florence and Rome (roughly 668 and 677 pictures), the visit to the Moroccan Sahara (684 pictures) and our three days in Petra (729 pictures).  

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This is the prize picture, which we think best represents the our Grand Adventure.  Dad, you’ll receive your prize shortly!

Be the cat.  Live your dreams.

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Wednesday, February 15, 2012

The part where we come home


Late last night we arrived home in Seattle, coming to rest after our trip around the world.
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The only thing better than the adventure of traveling for six months is travelling together for six months and starting off our married life by spending nearly every moment side-by-side for half a year.
Happy Six-month Anniversary, Jack!
The next adventure will be getting back to work and rediscovering Seattle after a decade away.

Monday, February 13, 2012

Jack & Cari’s packing list

 

Very Useful Items

  • pocketknife with corkscrew – We didn’t have a corkscrew on our Swiss army knife and so we had to buy a bulky one in France.  We also ended up buying small scissors, so I suggest a knife with those as well.
  • collapsible water bottle – These are great because they take next to no space when they’re empty and less and less space as you drink the water.
  • sun sleeves or sun gloves – Not everyone shares my penchant for staying out of the sun, but these are handy and a good use of space compared to long sleeved shirts.
  • spork – Spend the money to get the titanium version rather than the plastic version which can easily break.  This was key for eating grocery store yogurt throughout our trip.
  • eReader – They are compact and essential! You can catch up on your Project Gutenberg classics.
  • packing cubes – Even with the packing cubes, our stuff often ended up in a pile, but at least it was a slightly organized pile with the clean(ish) clothes separated from the dirty ones.
  • good pants – In six months with a small wardrobe it’s amazing how fast things will wear out.  Between the two of us, the only pants that made it through the whole trip were Jack’s expensive North Face zip-off pants.  They were worth every cent!
  • small daypack or bag – I used a Baggu backpack and Jack used a Baggu shopping sack.  They held up really well and pack down to a miniscule volume.
  • sliced up guidebook – We bought a Rick Steve’s Europe book, which had about 20-40 pages for various major places in Europe. For planning the trip, you might want more detail, but once you’re actually at your destination this is about the right amount of information. We sliced the book into relevant sections (Paris, Florence, Vienna and Rome), taped the spines and then threw them away after we used them. They were very useful and compact and Rick Steve’s is the way to go for Europe, I think.
  • difficult to find cosmetics – Toothpaste and shampoo are easy to find, but I’m picky about sunscreen.  In Costa Rica a few years ago, it was impossible to find proper chap stick (with SPF 15) rather than lipstick.
  • metal water bottles – These were great gifts from a few years ago which are bulletproof.  They had the added benefit of working as hot water bottles when we were cold.
  • Water purification – We got some sort of silver ion drops in Vienna, but they’re labeled in German so I’m not sure what they are.  We used then in parts of Morocco and other places where we didn’t trust the water.  Having something like this is good for peace of mind.
  • the right backpack – Ours were by Prana and they were 42 liters, 2 lbs. 5 oz., and 25 x 15 x 11 inches with a good flat laptop compartment next to the back.  When they were packed they were between 22 and 27 lbs. (10 and 12 kilos).  I liked that they were easier to pack than real backpacking packs.  They’ve held up well and they have the advantage of being dirt colored.
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Probably Useful, but Underused

We recommend bringing these items, because when you need them, you really need them.

  • silk sleep sacks – We used ours at three wwoof farms and our first catastrophic couch surfing night, but not at any hostels or hotels.  I think it depends on where you go.
  • back pack rain cover – we only used ours twice in the whole trip, but I think we were really lucky with the weather.
  • medicine – It was tough to plan the Asia portion of the trip 6 months ahead of time so we ended up with more malaria medicine than we needed.  A lot of people skip travel medicine, but that’s not my M.O.
  • international driver’s permit – These were 15 USD plus a passport sized photo from AAA.  We ended up not driving, but I think they’re a good idea, especially if you don’t speak the language of the country you’re driving in.

Often Recommended, but Not So Great

  • sink plug – We didn’t bring one and we found that most places had a drain plug or a bucket and even without one you can still wash your clothes.
  • travel towels – I was previously a fan of travel towels, which are really absorbent and fairly quick-drying, however, I no longer think they’re the right thing for a long trip.  A reasonably sized one won’t be big enough to cover you up, so you’ll still have to wear clothes to the shower in a hostel and, most importantly, the synthetic material starts to stink.  For example, after swimming in the Dead Sea, both of our towels stunk for weeks until we got to our next washing machine, because hand washing just won’t get rid of the odor.  I think I’d go with a small cotton hand towel and an extra bandana if I were to do it again.
  • quick-drying (ExOfficio) underwear and socks – These are popular items on packing lists, but we have some harsh reviews.  They are certainly durable, but like the travel towels, they smell worse than cotton and we got sick of wearing them.  The reality of a trip like this is re-wearing socks so it’s a big deal that these smell more and earlier than plain cotton.  As far as the quick-drying part goes, I’m not impressed.  I think cotton boxers dry faster and slightly thicker cotton dries only marginally slower.  We both traveled with four pair of underwear and so we could usually allow a full 24 hours for it to dry, which is necessary for all materials unless you have wind and sunlight.  In rainy cold weather (like we had in Jerusalem) NOTHING will dry, including the quick drying ExOfficio stuff.

CONTEST: How many pictures will we take?


At the end of our six-month odyssey, how many pictures do you think we will have taken? 
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You have until through Valentine’s day, exactly one month only a few days away, to submit your guess as a comment on this post. If you submit multiple guesses, we’ll consider only your final one. 
What will you win? An 8x10 autographed glossy print of the picture we think best represents the trip.  Curious to see what this picture will be?  Then submit your guess today! 

NOTE: Our camera now has a lazy eye.  Will it make it ‘till the end of the trip?  That’s all part of the speculative fun.
PROMISE: I swear we won’t read them until the end of the trip so that we won’t be biased.
CLARIFICATION: This is the total of pictures taken on both our camera and our iPhone.  Videos count as one picture.

Hong Kong wrap

 

These are a few more good pictures from our week in Hong Kong.

Below left: Downtown has lots of raised pedestrian walkways to keep pedestrians off the street.  We kept hoping for a downpour to experience them in the rain, but it never came.

Below right: The Hong Kong Occupy protest is camped out underneath the HSBC building.  This picture was taken on Sunday so the Occupy people are surrounded by the wave of Pilipino domestic workers (there are about 130,000 in the city) who picnic all over downtown on their day off. 

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The pictures below are of the building we stayed in, called the Mirador Mansion in Tsim Sha Tsui.  It was unlike any other building I’ve experienced in that it was like a city of its own.   I think it was 15-16 stories tall with a courtyard in the middle from the 3rd floor upwards.  From what I understand, our room was large by HK standards, but it was also windowless (like our rooms in KL and Singapore) and there were a few nights where it was absolutely flooded with cigarette smoke, although the whole building is supposed to be smoke free.

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Chinese/Lunar New Year is a great travel holiday.  We kicked it off in Singapore and wrapped it up two weeks later in Hong Kong.  Chinese opera is indeed an acquired taste (high register) but the costumes were great.  Like in Singapore, there were lanterns for all of the Chinese zodiac.  I’m a pig and Jack’s a rat (please don’t read that sentence out of context).  Lastly, CNY also marks the beginning of spring and there were some fabulous spring time dances.  The men on the bottom left did a fun and expressive ballet-like deer dance and the women danced like shimmering drops of snow melt.

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Sunday, February 12, 2012

Hanauma snorkeling


We had a great time snorkeling in Hanauma bay today.  There is a reason it is such a popular spot!
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The parrotfish were our favorites.  Some were at least two feet long.
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Yesterday we snorkeled off Waikiki and saw the same three-finned sea turtle twice.

Saturday, February 11, 2012

Hong Kong: China kinda sorta

 

Treating ourselves to Starbucks in the lobby of a downtown financial building (Bank of China) on a cold, gray day felt ever so homey and familiar.  With gray skies and a big port, Hong Kong felt a quite a bit like Seattle, except that it is twice as populous (7.1 million for Hong Kong versus 3.7 million for the greater Seattle area).

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This is a non-sequitur, but I was surprised to see that the Hong Kong (paper/plastic) money is issued directly by banks (HSBC, Standard Chartered Bank and Bank of China).  Coins are issued by the government.

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As far as the “China kinda sorta” part goes, technically we have now been to China, but not really.

Friday, February 10, 2012

Hong Kong hikes

 

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Hong Kong offers a ton of great hiking.  The terrain is very steep and covered with thick forests wherever it isn’t covered in huge metropolis, and there is a lot of land reserved for parks.  We had two days of hiking, one on Hong Kong island itself, above the city, and another on Lamma, one of the outlying islands.  There is a lot of space in the New Territories and Lantau Island, as well, and from what we saw the paths are very well maintained and marked.

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We hiked up from Quarry Bay into the hills just behind downtown Hong Kong, above a reservoir and past several great views of the city and the surrounding topography.  Hong Kong seems always to be a little grey and foggy, but I think the air may be smoggy a lot of the time, as well.  We never did make it up to “the peak,” the touristy mountaintop right behind the central business district, but I am not sure that there was a truly clear day while we were there, anyway, and I think the views we got on this hike were just as good.

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On another day, we took a ferry to Lamma Island, south of Hong Kong, and hiked around the northern half of the island.  The only car-road on Lamma goes from the power plant across the island and is called simply “power plant road.”  We walked on it for an hour or so, and it was clear that it was rarely if ever used for car traffic.  The rest of the residents of the island walk on footpaths, or use bicycles.  It was a different world than the city, and yet they were only a 25 minute ferry ride from Central in Hong Kong. 

British aftertaste


We spent a month and a half in Malaysia, Singapore and Hong Kong - three places which were controlled by the British until relatively recently.  In addition to driving on the wrong side of the road, there are still plenty of British cultural influences. 
In Malaysia one night, we mentioned to our hosts that we wanted to take a walk.  It wasn’t a pleasant place to walk because of the road, so they quickly suggested that we should go to their club instead, which was called Kelab Rahman Putra .  It was straight out of “A Son of the Circus” (an excellent John Irving book set partly at a club in India), right down to the bougainvillea.  When we drove in, everything switched to English - not Malay and English, just English, although almost everyone there was Asian.
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Then on our last night in Hong Kong, we went to Happy Valley racetrack with Ray. I hear that gambling has a longstanding place in Chinese culture, but the track felt very British all the same. It was full of expats, and it was funny to recognize German numbers (the horses were numbered 1 to about 14) in one ear and Mandarin (or maybe Cantonese) numbers in the other ear. It goes without saying that the horses are really fast and that was exciting to watch, although we didn’t bet.
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I think the combination of British left-side driving and a lot of tourists and expats severely confused the pedestrian style of Singapore and Hong Kong.  I was ready to switch to left-side walking and escalator riding, but, particularly in Hong Kong, there was no pattern.  In the MTR they sometimes put arrows on the floor, but they were didn’t stick to one side or the other.  These cities are crowded and it is every pedestrian for herself!

Thursday, February 9, 2012

Waikiki


The thing about reentering the US in Hawaii is that there’s such a strong local identity that people must see us as just another pair of tourists.   Tourists we may be, but as far as we are concerned, we are home!
Our home just happens to be an enormous (and wonderful) country!
Oh and our budget hotel in Waikiki is about five times bigger than our rooms in Singapore and Hong Kong and it has windows… and a yellow pages!

Wednesday, February 8, 2012

extremes (updated)

 
Looking back on our trip from Hong Kong, these are some of the things that stand out.  Updates to the post extremes, from November, are in blue.

The Good
  • best live music – choir in Hallgrimskirkja (church) in Reykjavik, Iceland
  • best dance music – in Istanbul (small sample size, N=1)
  • place we’re most eager to return to – Istanbul
  • nicest train – (C) Vienna to Budapest (J) Singapore MRT, due to the lack of doors between each train car.  Whoah!  Everything is bendy!
  • best wwoof farm – the olive-picking farm in Umbria, Italy  Sorry, Italy: we have to go with the lemon/avocado Moroccan farm.  Read about it in the posts wonderful wwoofing in morocco and  wwoof write-up.
  • best skyline – (J) Istanbul Hong Kong (C) Florence
  • prettiest church – Saint Chappelle in Paris with the large stained glass windows in the small church

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  • most impressive Roman building/ruin – (C) the Pantheon in Rome (J) the baths of Caracalla in Rome  Dougga in Tunesia, even if a lot of it was rebuilt. 
  • best treasure collection – the Hapsburg’s collection in Vienna (much better than the Medici collection in Florence)
  • best drink – 75 cent 35 cent fresh squeezed orange juice in Istanbul Marrakesh…. or maybe the $9 dollar Leffe Browns in Jerusalem after three weeks in Morocco.
  • best new drink – Floc de Gasgogne in Normandy
  • best dessert – (C) chocolate dipped candied lemon rind in Perugia homemade fresh lemon tart at the Moroccan wwoof farm (J) lemon gelato in Florence
  • nicest strangers – (C) people in Normandy who picked us up while hitchhiking (J) man who gave us books on Hinduism when we wandered into a temple (in Singapore’s little India) to watch singing and dancing.  He didn’t really speak English, but he wanted us to have those books!
  • best dining experience – the Weinbau (wine bar) Stadlmann in Vienna where a glass of (recent house) wine costs 1,3 €, the food is delicious, cheap and cafeteria style, the atmosphere is cozy and it is completely fine to play a board game while eating and drinking.  (J) Singapore hawker centers!
  • best park – Versailles or le Jardin de Luxembourg in France (C) Park overrun by cats near the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul (J) Singapore botanic(al) gardens.
  • best meal – handmade gnocchi with organic white truffle sauce in Umbria, Italy (J) Chicken tagine, Moroccan salad, fresh fruit and ‘Berber whiskey’ at the Sahara dunes.  (C) Each successive meal at the Moroccan wwoof farm, including eggplant/tomato bruschetta, tomato/avocado/onion/lemon salad, lamb, stews and lots of ginger, lemon, and garlic.
  • best swim –  (C) the Blue Lagoon in Iceland Dead Sea in Israel (J) Szechenyi Bath in Budapest with its ‘angry’ river.

  • best art museum – (J) Uffizi in Florence, (C) the Borghese gallery due to the masterful sculptures by Bernini, or the Kunsthistoriches in Vienna, with its thematic exhibit, good bathrooms, and frequent benches.

Apollo and Daphne (1625) and The Rape of Proserpina (1622) by Bernini at the Borghese Gallery in Rome.  My favorite was is on the left and Jack’s is on the right.  Either way, these are by far the best sculptures we’ve seen.
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  • most fortunate travel coincidence – visiting the Duomo in Siena during the 6 weeks a year where the amazing floors are on display

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  • best call to prayer – When we were in Jerusalem, we thought it was home to the best muezzins (maybe to compete with the church bells), but that was before we heard the beautiful call to prayer in Amman.  The topography helped, bouncing the sound back and forth between the hills and making Amman the clear winner
  • Best tourist information – Iceland, though getting around Singapore is so easy one doesn’t even have any questions to ask.
  • Most entertaining animal behavior – (C) ferocious three-way goose fight at the Malaysian wwoof farm and (J) two horses and a dog chasing each other around the field in Normandy.

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  • Best hike – Umm al Biyara in Petra, Jordan. 
  • Best (mostly) walled city: (C) Rome, (J) Jerusalem
  • Most “lunar” experience – a toss-up between the Sahara and Iceland.

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  • Best travel innovation (by us) – (C) putting her hours of eyebrow tweezing to good use to extract a fish bone from Jack’s throat. (J) taking advantage of the water heater in our damp, cold Jerusalem room to make our water bottles into HOT water bottles.  It was a Christmas miracle!


The Less Than Good

  • most power lines dangling over and on the sidewalks – Bucharest
  • most footsore moment – in Glaises (Faverges) after hiking twice as long as planned with all of our stuff (J) I was pretty footsore in Petra, on the third day of hiking, after climbing up the Umm al Biyara… but it was a good sore.  My MOST footsore moment, however, came after a day of emulating the locals and walking around Singapore in flip-flops
  • biggest letdown by google maps – the Gîte de l’École de Glaises which was about 3 miles up a mountain from where the maps said it was (see the most footsore moment, above)  Amman, Jordan - not only was google maps missing most of the streets, but searching was completely useless. 
  • biggest rip off – 8€ Leffe beers in Paris.  This was our own fault. 
  • most expensive feeling city – (C) Florence (J) Jerusalem in the moment I realized the exchange rate was 3.8 shekels per dollar, not 7.6…  oops.
  • most smoky city place– Florence our windowless hotel room in Hong Kong, unfortunately
  • most aggressive sales people – the rose pushers by the Spanish steps in Rome Ha ha ha ha, we were so young and innocent back then.
  • worst planning error – not noting which side of the Danube our train arrived on in Budapest and therefore walking the exact wrong way (in the dark without a map)
  • longest line – for the Bayeux tapestry in France where tour groups got to cut the line and the French people around us flew into a rage  (J) The line to get into St. Peters in Rome was way longer, but more expected.
  • hardest place to communicate – Bucharest The Egged bus company information counter in Jerusalem… and not because they didn’t speak English. 
  • what we miss the most – (C) Emo the cat, my clothes, and having an income (J) not living out of a small bag
  • worst swim – in Corsica with the jellyfish (J) trying to paddle our windsurfing boards back in with no wind, against the current, in Singapore.
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  • most disappointing Lonely Planet pick – the Pirana Club in Bucharest, which was supposed to be in a happening student area and turned out to be in a cluster of two restaurants in the middle of nowhere
  • worst museum – the ones in Mont Saint Michel, outside of the abbey itself
  • worst credit card readers – all automatic ticket machines in France, Italy and Austria and the whole country of Romania
  • most disappointing travel coincidence – the unexpected and unexplained closure of the Coliseum, the Forum and Palatine Hill
  • worst sidewalks – (J) Istanbul with the downward staircases carved out (think Aggrocrag) (C) Bucharest with the construction,dogs, dog poop and wires  We have a new winner:  The Amman sidewalk with a sheer drop of about 30 ft to one side:
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  • worst candy – Iceland with the salty licorice or maybe the surprisingly bad Tunisian chocolate
  • worst couch surfing experience – in Rekjavik with Sabrina (who lied or at least strongly mislead us)
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  • worst payphones – Romania where the phones appear to have enough memory for only 10-12 digits, meaning it is not possible to enter a calling card pin (J) Hong Kong, where our calling card is supposed to work, but where in reality the pay phones will not call any number (even toll-free) without putting change in
  • worst bathrooms – France with the unexpectedly constant smell of pee, even when things look clean
  • hottest day – picking tomatoes and peppers in Piedmont, Italy  Walking the approximately 1.5 miles from KL Sentral to our hostel in KL, wearing jeans, warm socks and our backpacks.  Welcome to Southeast Asia, Cari!
  • coldest evening/night/morning – in Umbria with no heat but the fireplace
  • worst sprint with our packs on – to the ferry in Nice (45 minutes of speed walking followed by about 20 minutes of running)
Obviously good wins out.  Definitely